一位现世古鲁的窘况
发布日期:2018-04-18 15:55
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Shekhar Kapur joins Sadhguru in conversation on the predicament of being a living Guru. The filmmaker points out that while the world readily worships people who have passed away, they have difficulty accepting a Guru during his lifetime.

谢加·凯普尔(奥斯卡获奖导演)与萨古鲁就作为一位现世古鲁的窘况这个主题进行了对话。这位电影导演指出当今世界很容易崇拜那些已经逝去的人们,但是,他们却难以接受一位现世活着的古鲁。

 

Shekhar Kapur: Sadhguru, a large part of the problem people have when they think about a Guru is if the Guru is alive. If you look at the world, everybody worships people that have passed away.

谢加·凯普尔:萨古鲁,当人们想到古鲁时,如果这位古鲁还活着,他们就会有很多问题。如果你去看这个世界,(就会发现)每个人都会崇拜那些逝去的人们。

 

I’ve known you as a friend, I hug you as a friend, but I can touch your feet, because you’re a realized man, you’re a Guru. Why is it so difficult for people to make out that difference? They say, “Well, he’s a man after all, and why is he claiming to be a realized man? We believe all realized men only become realized when they’re gone.”

作为你的朋友,我了解你,拥抱你,但是我也会触摸你的双脚,因为你是一位开悟者,你是一位古鲁。为什么人们对于作出这种区分会如此困难呢?他们说,“哦,他毕竟还是个人,为什么他要自称是开悟者呢?只有不在世的人才能成为开悟者吧。”

 

Sadhguru: They have to be dead. Unfortunate, isn’t it?

萨古鲁:他们必须是死的。太不幸了,是不是?

 

Shekhar Kapur: Yeah. I was trying not to use that word, but they have to be dead. That’s a big problem. So, let’s talk about that.

谢加·凯普尔:是的。我试图避免那个词,但是,你说的没错,他们必须是死的。这是一个大问题。所以,咱们谈谈这个吧。

 

Sadhguru: This is because if you have to see value with what is here now, you need a certain intelligence and awareness. To say that someone who was here a thousand years ago was great and to worship him is very easy because a million people are saying so. Everybody is fascinated by the past because generations of people have said so.

萨古鲁:这是因为,如果要看到当下存在的价值,你需要一定的智慧和觉知。要说一个一千年前的人伟大并崇拜他,这很容易,因为数百万人都在这样说。每个人都迷恋过去,因为世世代代的人们都这样说过了。

 

Even when a Krishna was alive, how many people really recognized him? Duryodhana said about him, “This guy can play with a child, fight with a man, make love to a woman, gossip with old women… This is no God. This is a rogue.” That’s how they would have seen him. Now, thousands of years later, it is very easy because everybody is saying, “Krishna is God,” so you also say it. You are just joining a gang, you are not seeing anything about Krishna as such.

即便克里希那(Krishna)在世的时候,又有多少人真正认出他?杜尤丹(Duryodhana)曾说他,“这个人可以和孩子一起玩耍,可以和男人打架,和老妇人们聊八卦……他根本就不是神。这是个游手好闲的人。”他们就是这么看待他的。现在,几千年过去了,当然会很容易把他视为神,因为人人都说,“克里希那是神”,所以你也这样说。你只是从众而已,你根本就没看出他任何方面是神。

 

But if you have to recognize something that is alive in front of you today, you need a certain capability, awareness and intelligence. When Jesus was alive, you know what horrible things they did to him. Now, half the world wants to worship him. When he was there, only a handful of people got it. After he is gone, everybody does it. This is just a fan club, not disciple-hood.

但如果你要认识出你面前的某个活生生的事物,你需要具备一定的能力、觉知和智慧。当耶稣在世时,你知道他们对他做了多么可怕的事情吗。如今,世界上一半的人都想敬拜他。当他在世时,只有很少的人明白这一点。在他去世后,人人敬拜他。这就是个粉丝俱乐部,而非师徒关系。

 

Shekhar Kapur: So, let’s talk about the concept of a Guru. What is a Guru and how does one find a Guru? And why is it that different people have different Gurus? Like there is one God, there could be one Guru, right?

谢加·凯普尔:那么,我们来谈一谈古鲁的概念。古鲁是什么以及一个人如何找到古鲁?为什么不同的人会有不同的古鲁?就像只有一个上帝一样,本来世上也可以只有一位古鲁,对吗?

 

Sadhguru: This is wrong. In India, we have 36 million gods and goddesses! So, what is a Guru? Gu means “darkness”, ru means “dispeller” – one who dispels your darkness is a Guru. You can call him a light bulb if you want. He is on. That’s all. What you cannot see, he is able to make you see – that’s a Guru. Or to put it in other terms, essentially, because you are trying to make a journey and you are seeking a Guru, he is like a live roadmap. When you want to travel uncharted terrain, you will find a roadmap is extremely important. In the tradition, they say, “Guru is greater than God,” because a live roadmap is more important than anything when you are lost in unknown terrain.

萨古鲁:不对。在印度,我们有3600万个男神和女神!那么,什么是古鲁?Gu意思是“darkness(黑暗)”,ru意思是“dispeller(驱散者)”——驱散你的黑暗的人我们称之为古鲁。如果你愿意,也可以称他为灯泡。他一直开着。就是这样。你看不见的,他能让你看见——那就是古鲁。或者用其他词来解释,本质上来说,由于你想要开启一段旅途并且在寻找一位古鲁,他就像一幅活的路线图。当你想去未知的领域旅行时,你会发现路线图相当重要。传统上人们说,“古鲁比上帝更伟大,”因为当你在未知地带迷路时,一幅活的路线图比其他任何东西都更重要。

 

“Can’t I find my way without a Guru?” This question is coming from a certain egoistic standpoint. “Why can’t I do it myself?” See, you are using a watch, right? I’ll give you all the parts for the watch. You build your own watch, let me see. I’m not asking you to build a computer or a spacecraft. Even for a simple thing like a watch, you may take a lifetime. So you go to a watchmaker for a watch. So, what’s your problem going to a Guru for something that you do not know?

“如果没有古鲁我就找不到路了吗?”这个问题是出自于某种自以为是的心态。“我为什么不能自己做到呢?”你看,你在用手表,对吧?我把手表的所有零件都给你。你来造出自己的手表让我看看。我并没有让你造一台电脑或一艘宇宙飞船。即使像手表这样简单的东西,你可能都要花上一生时间。所以你会找制表商买手表。所以,为了你想知道的事情而去寻找一位古鲁,又有什么问题呢?

 

Love&Grace,

Sadhguru

爱与恩典

萨古鲁

文章来源:isha.sadhguru.org/blog/sadhguru/masters-words/predicament-of-a-living-guru
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